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A realistic approach to creating a nation in this day in age

 
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EvilEngineer



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 PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: A realistic approach to creating a nation in this day in age Reply with quote Back to top

Ok, first off, let's be real. We cannot, right off the bat take an island for any amount of money, declare our selves independent and expect to survive very long. It's not practical from any standpoint.

What is however practical, is under the guise of operating as a corporation, purchasing a private island under an existing government. Then building up the tourism for capital .. (or other products). Using the profits from the tourism to build up the infrastructure and defenses of the island. As a defensive force is necessary, we could for a time operate a portion of the island as a training facility for soldiers of fortune, who would later become the defense force for the island. This is important to have, as without it there is NOTHING to prevent our independent nation from being crushed.

Once the island has reached a point of development that would no longer require too much in term of outside help, then and only then could we declare our self independent.

So again... the steps are.

*Form corporation
*Raise funds for island purchase and resort
*Purchase island, and develop resort
*Attract RICH tourists, the more they have the better... though I have no problem holding international bankers that come in. They don't need to leave... they can rot in our jail... or torture chamber. HOSTEL anyone?
*Use profits to develop infrastructure (roads, housing, plumbing, energy, ports, coastal armoring, beach nourishment, military supplies, etc...)
*Once reasonably self-sufficient, declare independence.
 
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Elite_Master
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 PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Alright, sounds good.
 
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Lost_in_Samoa



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 PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: A realistic approach to creating a nation in this day in Reply with quote Back to top

EvilEngineer wrote:
Ok, first off, let's be real. We cannot, right off the bat take an island for any amount of money, declare our selves independent and expect to survive very long. It's not practical from any standpoint.


Very True.

EvilEngineer wrote:
What is however practical, is under the guise of operating as a corporation, purchasing a private island under an existing government. Then building up the tourism for capital .. (or other products). Using the profits from the tourism to build up the infrastructure and defenses of the island. As a defensive force is necessary, we could for a time operate a portion of the island as a training facility for soldiers of fortune, who would later become the defense force for the island. This is important to have, as without it there is NOTHING to prevent our independent nation from being crushed.


This presumes that we will have a tourism industry. Our island will not be the first by a long shot to offer "paradise beaches" and "coconut drinks with the fancy umbrella".

Starting a tourism trade is much harder than you think. You need to be appealing, ACCESSIBLE, and known.

And I would think that being accessible and known are attributes that we would want to avoid.
 
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In_God_We_Trust



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 PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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As a defensive force is necessary, we could for a time operate a portion of the island as a training facility for soldiers of fortune, who would later become the defense force for the island.


Laughing
 
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EvilEngineer



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 PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: A realistic approach to creating a nation in this day in Reply with quote Back to top

Lost_in_Samoa wrote:

Starting a tourism trade is much harder than you think. You need to be appealing, ACCESSIBLE, and known.

And I would think that being accessible and known are attributes that we would want to avoid.


Good points.

The question becomes, how do we make the island profitable enough to develop it. It would be one thing if they were rich in natural resources, and all it would take is time and effort. But, islands really don't have much in the way of precious commodities aside from the nice view, and seclusion. This makes it a vaible asset for a few industries that would be profitable enough for quick expansion.

1. Tourism (with previous notes applied)
2. Tax Havens (Hard to pull off until independent)
3. Drug Trade
4. Piracy
5. Rendition
 
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DarkLaw



Joined: 26 Feb 2008
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Location: New Orleans, LA

 PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hahaha

Niiiiiice...

So according to our plan, so far, in order to raise money -
we not only will we be entertaining Spring Break cocktails,
but will likely be invaded by neighboring countries,
rival drug cartels, and pirates.

Man...this is tough.



SERIOUSLY, though.
It would NOT take MUCH tourism to help boost
the small economy. Seriously.
And of COURSe we start off as a small 'commune' (hate that word, too!)
and slowly build up. Once we figure out what we're doing - just like
any business, we can branch out...or franchise...and duplicate the idea elsewhere or on a LARGER scale.
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mkeller



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 PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: A realistic approach to creating a nation in this day in Reply with quote Back to top

EvilEngineer wrote:

1. Tourism (with previous notes applied)
2. Tax Havens (Hard to pull off until independent)
3. Drug Trade
4. Piracy
5. Rendition

Drugs would naturally be legal on the island, since it's all about liberty, but would we actually want to encourage their use? Wouldn't it be better to have all the citizens fully awake and healthy, so that we'll be able to fight off any invaders?

And piracy!? . . . Or is that why they call you the EvilEngineer?
 
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Lost_in_Samoa



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 PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: A realistic approach to creating a nation in this day in Reply with quote Back to top

EvilEngineer wrote:
Lost_in_Samoa wrote:

Starting a tourism trade is much harder than you think. You need to be appealing, ACCESSIBLE, and known.

And I would think that being accessible and known are attributes that we would want to avoid.


Good points.

The question becomes, how do we make the island profitable enough to develop it. It would be one thing if they were rich in natural resources, and all it would take is time and effort. But, islands really don't have much in the way of precious commodities aside from the nice view, and seclusion. This makes it a vaible asset for a few industries that would be profitable enough for quick expansion.

1. Tourism (with previous notes applied)
2. Tax Havens (Hard to pull off until independent)
3. Drug Trade
4. Piracy
5. Rendition


The real problem with attempting to start a tourism industry as I see it is,

In order to have a viable tourism industry you will have to offer luxury products that people will want to travel thousands of miles to obtain. That is a hard series of products to produce. Not to mention the logistics of getting the "consumer" to our products.

You will have to link into the global banking system and be a part of the giant ponzi scheme to be able to reap any gain from the tourism industry. Once you buy into the banking scheme you then become dependant on it and a slave of it.

Any industries focused on producing luxury products will fail in the near future when the luxury business dries up as it will when the US monetary system fails.

Consider this,

As a small group of like minded people trying to start a haven of freedom. Should we be focused on creating industries that produce luxury items or necessities?

Isn't that one of the core problems with the US? We as a nation produce almost nothing. 75% of our productivity is in handling Financial products. Products that are ultimately based on only the Federal governments ability to tax the people.

So why step into the same pit as our home nation?

For our purposes money is only necessary to start this project, and get it to a level of self-sufficiency. If we are capable of that then what possible use is "money" to the residents of the island?

The "value" that is produced on the island will be used or consumed on the island. There is very little need for a "medium of exchange" or "money" as we know it today.

The island I currently live on is HUGE in comparison to the scope discussed here on this board. It is 26 miles long and 4 miles wide. Y'all can figure the square acreage if you wish.

On this island money is somewhat of an anacronism. This culture is still small enough to trade effectively at the direct barter level.

So on a smaller island, this custom would be MORE pronounced. A medium of trade (money) would actually be a hindrance to trade. It would require middle-men, and the drain on productivity that they engender, to be effective.

In conclusion,

We need money to purchase the island.

We need money to purchase the initial infrastructure.

We need money to relocate our prospective populace.

We need a SMALL amount of cash flow to cover the reoccurring needs of material items not manufacture-able on the island.

We need a SMALL amount of cash flow to keep the global powers that be satiated and off our backs while we grow our fledgling nation and specialize our defenses.

Once we have these things then we will be in a much better position to declare independence.

Imagine if we declared our independence in the middle of a,

global financial collapse,

OR

perhaps a raging global war,

OR

a global energy crisis,

OR

last but not least a global ecological crisis, (real or imagined).

Then the TPTB will be preoccupied with managing all of their other holdings and POSSIBLY may allow us the privilege of self rule.

Our path would be decided from a footing of strength and resolve, not ambivalence and dependence.

my 2 cents.
 
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